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FAQ
Below you will find some of the frequently asked questions TWE receives about horse training, clicker training, equine behavior, and more!
Positive reinforcement is just one form of operant conditioning. There are four forms of operant conditioning.
Operant conditioning is the way in which learning occurs through rewards and punishment for behavior. Through operant conditioining the learner (horse in our case) makes associations between the behavior and a positive or negative consequence. It's important to remember that the + and - signs are mathmatical symbols, not symbolic of "bad" or "good".
+R happens when a reward is given to the horse after a desired behavior is performed. The horse learns that if it repeats the same behavior, more rewards will come. Food rewards, scratches and more are possible rewards used in horse training.
-R is how traditionally all horse training has occured, with pressure and release. First human applies an aversive pressure of some kind (from annoying all the way to painful or frightening) until the desired response from the horse occurs and then the pressure is released as a "reward"/"relief" for the horse. The horse learns from the relief of the pressure.
+P is the application (the +) of something aversive as a punisher to stop or discourage a behavior from happening again. Hitting a horse for biting is a perfect example of this. The horse bites, you hit, horse is less likely to bite again IF the punishment was effective and the timing correct.
-P happens for the horse when there is a removal of something the horse wants as a form of punishment. Example, you go to feed your horse his breakfast but he kicks at you, so you take the food away. You've removed the thing your horse wanted as a punishment.
For more information on operant conditioning and positive reinforcement ....
What Is R+ and How Does It Work?
Also check out these books...
Reaching The Animal Mind by Karen Pyror
Humane Science Based Horse Training by by Alizé Veillard-Muckensturm
Equine Empowerment: A Guide to Positive Reinforcement Training
by Jessica Gonzalez
Clicker training is a term used to describe the use of a tool (the clicker) or the use of a marker/bridging sound during training. Typically this is seen in positive reinforcement training or reward based training, where we are rewarding voluntarily offered behaviors with an appetitive (something the horse likes) to encourage the offering of that behavior again. The click (or marker sound of choice) marks the exact moment the horse does what it is we are looking for, and tells the horse that now their reward is coming.
Click = That was it! Now food/scratches/something you like is coming.
The clicker allows us (the teacher) to be more precise, for communication to be clearer, and for less confusion for the leaner (the horse or any animal/species you are training). It decreases confusion, increases the rate of learning and success, and allows for very precise training.
Typically the term "clicker training" is reserved for positive reinforcement based training methods, but I have seen it being used during negative reinforcement based training approaches, so be aware that not all uses of the clicker are created equal or being used the same.
An example of the clicker being used in a negative reinforcement program ...
Click = That was it! Now relief is coming from the pressure.
Or in a combined training approach...
Click = That was it! Now relief is coming from the pressure, and a food or scratches rewards will follow.
These are my prefered clickers....
Also check out these books...
Reaching The Animal Mind by Karen Pyror
Humane Science Based Horse Training by by Alizé Veillard-Muckensturm
Equine Empowerment: A Guide to Positive Reinforcement Training
There is no good way to breifly explain the endless changes that come with shifting training to a positive reinforcement focused based mentality and approach. The best way to explain it is, your relationship with horses and towards horse training changes dramatically. Problems that seemed so irritating, frustrating and impossible are become easily explained and simpler to work with. Training makes sense and requires less frustration, stress, and confusion on both the part of the human and the horse.
The mentality shifts from.. "This horse is out to get me and I need to be strong and dominant to show him who's leader" to "Why is my horse acting this way? And how can we approach fixing this problem for the both of us in a low stress and positive way?"
The relationship changes, riding and training suddenly becomes and equally enjoyable task for both parties involved.. rather than something we are making the horse do.
I've written multiple blog posts on the subject, check them out here.
The Power Of Positive Reinforcement
What Is R+ and How Does It Work
And check out this book by Kathie Greogry .. A Tale Of Two Horses
Absolutely! Horses learn the same when you are on their back as when you're on the ground. Everything you teach on the ground is transferable to in the saddle, much the same as R- based training. The process to achieving the cues for riding look different with R+ though... unless you're combining both R- and R+.
Check out this article I wrote, with video examples and a break down of how you go about training riding with R+
It's super easy to get started, BUT, I encourage you to do your research beforehand. Researching how, why, and what can prevent major easily avoidable mistakes.. mistakes I too have made and had to learn from the hard way.
In the beginning the information is likely to be overwhelming and you're going to question whethere you have to stop everything in order to be able to train this way. And the answer is no, you don't have to give up your daily handling and interactions or riding, but I do encourage you to consider that in certain situations it will be beneficial to start from scratch and slowly work your way back to doing all those things... you'll be back to riding and going on walks and doing ground work with your horse in no time, and it will be better than ever!
Some situations that may require a complete "re-start" are going to be horses that are very shut down (learned helplessness.. read more here.. ), traumatized, fearful, reactive, explosive, evasive, and/or dangerous. These horses will need a fresh start with a new look at how humans can be.
For the most part though, you can begin gradually changing bits and pieces of your relationship with your horse. Here is an article I wrote on the subject...
How To Improve Your Relationship With Your Horse
And how to get started with clicker training..
And also check out my resources page for lots of recommended reading that I encourage you to dive head first into before ever picking up a clicker. ;)
Absolutely! It doesn't matter if you're a human, elephant, lizard, orca, fish, brown horse, short horse, old horse, skinny horse... Positive reinforcement WORKS.
The thing is, positive reinforcement exists in every day life everywhere around us...
If a horse is nudging a human and the human whips out a tasty carrot to give to the horse, the horse was just positively reinforced for nudging the human. If a dog barks at the back door and eventually someone lets them inside, they were positively reinforced for barking at the back door. If a kid begs their parent until the parent gives in and buys them the toy they wanted, they have been positively reinforced for begging.
These are all relatively annoying and undesirable behaviors to adult humans though, so alternatively we could use positive reinforcement in each of those scenarios to achieve the exact opposite...
Give the horse a carrot when they are NOT nudging you. Only let the dog inside when it's NOT barking. Buy the kid a toy when they are happy and content... and so on. SO, all we have to do now.. is set up scenarios and situations where we can reward desirable behaviors and we can train almost any behavior the way we want it with positive reinforcement.
Here is some more on the subject...
The Power Of Positive Reinforcement
What Is R+ and How Does It Work?
And if you're worried about it working for horses aggressive around food or even dangerous around people....
But My Horse Is Aggressive Around Food
And here's two fantastic books about training any kind of animal with positive reinforcement.
Great question! I wrote an indepth article on the subject here...
Competition & The Autonomous Horse
And more about riding with R+...
Really easily actually! They just aren't your typical large group classes with horses going round and round the arena while the trainer sits in the middle and barks orders. ;) (that's at least how I grew up taking lessons).
Here are three video examples of giving lessons with an R+/Clicker trained horse that has choice.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoErGnwgV5F/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoAtdLcgg38/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlQ2cYzApXv/
If you can train a horse to ride and respond to cues through R+ you can teach lessons using those same cues and teach students to train with R+.
In short... never! But don't let that scare you. When you train with traditional and natural horsemanship methods that are based on pressure and release, you ALWAYS use pressure and release to maintain the behavior/motivation. You may reduce the amount of pressure used, you may increase the criteria necessary for the horse to complete before the pressure is released.. but pressure and release always exist. It's no different with positive reinforcement training, there always has to be positive reinforcement of some kind.
Read more on the subject here....
and here....
Running out of food isn't a problem usually. You can prepare to end your session before you run out, so that you don't leave your horse hanging for something that's not coming.. or, you could offer your horse scratches as a reward in a very special spot if that's something they like.
I usually recommend to people that if they want to work with both scratches and food as a positive reinforcer, to practice this before they end up in a situation where they run out of food. Start by clicking, giving food, and offering scratches for a few minutes. This will begin the process of associating scratches with food. Gradually you can decrease the amount of food offered or use scratches first then food, to continue the association building but strengthen the scratches.
Also, when working with behaviors that are really well known and are no longer in the "development stage" you can begin offering scratches as the reward occassionally instead of the food. Just make sure to still give food periodically.
And last but not least, do training session with no food at all and only scratches. Make sure not to have food on your body, don't give your horse food before the session starts, and start off with very very simple well known behaviors, click/scratches.
If however you find your horse getting frustrated with there being no food after the click, try creating a new marker signal that signals a tactile reinforcer vs food. So if you use an actual clicker box with food, use a vocal sound with scratches kind of thing. With enough repetion and practice, it will become no big deal to your horse and they will learn to find value in the scratches.
As fair warning though, some horses do not find scratches to be a sufficient enough reward for higher effort behaviors or behaviors that are just being learned.. or really enjoy scratches at all. So you will have to work with what the horse finds rewarding for the training to be based on a reward based system (positive reinforcement). In which case, you'll just need to think ahead, and be prepared.. like with any good training system you plan for the session and have the necessary tools/equipment/knowledge/experience/assistance needed to be successful. Making sure you have sufficient food rewards for your horse that prefers to work with food is just part of that preparation process.
How long and how often depends on the individual horse and human, but typically sessions are shorter than ten minutes and I usually will do two in a day.. sometimes more, sometimes less.
In the beginning I keep sessions even shorter, around three to five minutes to make sure I'm not taxing the horse mentally and I'm keeping their interest. I'll do a five minute session, ten minute break, five minute session, thirty minute break, five minute session. Or something along those lines.
As the horse is more experienced you'll be able to stretch that training session time a little further. Sometimes around thirty minutes, as long as the horse gets water breaks and rest session. The goal though is to never push the horse past the point of frustration or mental exhaustion to where they want to stop trying or want to walk away. If that happens, we need make the session shorter and end before the horse checks out.
I also do longer rides, such as trail rides, with my horses that are much longer than thirty minutes.. sometimes for a couple of hours, when the horse is ready. These are different because they are not a constant training session but more of a ... "travel together" period, with occasional small sessions built in if we come across a spooky area or we need to practice something really quick. It's just a different set up.
And, when you take breaks. You need to fully remove yourself from the training area (until the horse is experienced enough to know it's break time and they can go graze and explore). Breaks need to be a complete "break" for the horse away from any requirements and expectations from the human.
No, you don't have to use a specific clicker "box", but you *should* use a bridge signal of some kind.
The clicker is just a tool that creates a consistent distinct sound with the touch of a button. It allows for the user to make the same bridge signal each and every time, reducing confusion and fluctuations that might naturally occur with something less mechanical. You could use any sound though, whether that's a word or a vocal sound you've made up. It just needs to be the exact same each and every time, clear and unique from the rest of your daily sounds and language. - No sounds that are similar to clucking a horse on or asking them to back up etc. No words like "good boy", which we use all the time when talking to our animals. It has to stand out clear to the horse.
You don't have to use a bridge signal at all either, but the bridge signal (or marker signal) is a very important tool. It's what defines "clicker training" and makes it so unique. The bridge signal creates a clear communication ability between teacher and learner, marking the exact moment the behavior earned the positive reinforcer. It removes the guessing game the learner often has to go through to figure out what earned the food, or scratches, etc.
That really depends. It depends on the horse, the horse's history, your skill level in training with positive reinforcement/clicker training, errors made, how dedicated you are to changing the training relationship between you and your horse, if you have assistance/guidance, your relationship with your horse, if you're dealing with possible emotional/mental/physical baggage with your horse, and so much more.
Typically though people find they and their horses get almost immediate "light bulb" moments within a session or two as they see how smart and willing their horse can be! The beginning part of introducing the foundation behaviors.. like targeting, usually happen quick and it's exciting! After that though, it's really a case by case scenario.
Some horses seem to really brighten up and change around pretty quick when the training approach changes. Other horses will take much longer to learn to trust humans again and to move past the days of being frightened or shut down. Again, it all really depends. I've had horses do complete transformations in a few short months, and some take much much longer. But don't let that detour you! The horses that take longer need it the most.
Operant conditioning is the way in which learning occurs through rewards and punishment for behavior. Through operant conditioining the learner (horse in our case) makes associations between the behavior and a positive or negative consequence. It's important to remember that the + and - signs are mathmatical symbols, not symbolic of "bad" or "good".
+R happens when a reward is given to the horse after a desired behavior is performed. The horse learns that if it repeats the same behavior, more rewards will come. Food rewards, scratches and more are possible rewards used in horse training.
-R is how traditionally all horse training has occured, with pressure and release. First human applies an aversive pressure of some kind (from annoying all the way to painful or frightening) until the desired response from the horse occurs and then the pressure is released as a "reward"/"relief" for the horse. The horse learns from the relief of the pressure.
+P is the application (the +) of something aversive as a punisher to stop or discourage a behavior from happening again. Hitting a horse for biting is a perfect example of this. The horse bites, you hit, horse is less likely to bite again IF the punishment was effective and the timing correct.
-P happens for the horse when there is a removal of something the horse wants as a form of punishment. Example, you go to feed your horse his breakfast but he kicks at you, so you take the food away. You've removed the thing your horse wanted a punishment.
Classical conditioning is when an involuntary association is created between two events or stimuli. For example, in the famous "Pavlov's dogs", a bell rang every time food was served to the dogs. Eventually the dogs began to associate the ring of the bell with the food arriving. The bell was no longer just a sound, it now predicted food. The dogs now would hear the bell and begin salivating in anticipation of the food.
Classical conditioning can be used to associate all kinds of things with one another, bad or good. We can also use classical conditioning to change bad associations to good ones. This is called "counter conditioning" and I explain it more here..
Never! If your horse is in good health, and you won't be interfering with the dam/foal relationship, you can begin working with positive reinforcement as early or as late as you want. Old dogs DO learn new tricks, and foals learn very quickly too! Again though, be careful not to interfere with the dam/foal relationship and consider working with scratches as a reward and in very short sessions during those early months.
And as far as training history, it's never too late to re-start or try something new. Even with a very very "well broke" horse, a horse with a long traumatic history, or a horse with a successful career. It's never too late to learn something new or change the relationship dynamic between you and your horse.
In the beginning, there will be a little confusion for the horse, but horses are excellent and understanding "context cues". What this means is they are able to understand in what situations, with which people, with which cues, things do or don't happen. This is why we hear "but he never does that with me!" or "He's never like this at home..." statements.
Basically, they can learn that one person works with R+ and the other does not. Also, they can learn separate cues for the same behavior, one trained via R+ and the other trained any other way. They can also learn that maybe in the round pen R- happens, and in the arena R+ happens. Or, when bareback it's R+ and with a saddle it's R-. It's never going to be as completely "clean" as using all one appraoch to training, but it is possible.
BUT, and this is VERY important, the cues you use to inform the horse that you've begun an R+ session need to be clear and consistent. If you yourself are going to be the "cue", then you must only ever use R+ and everyone else can continue to use R-. If you want the location to be the cue, you need to not use R+ training anywhere else. If you want the saddle or lack of saddle to be the cue... and so and so forth. You can even use the putting on of a treat bag being the cue, BUT, nobody else should ever have on a treat bag while working with the horse unless they are using R+.
I will say though, there will be a marked difference in how the horse interacts with you vs everyone else. Unless other people practice with the horse in the way you do, the horse will not be able to generalize what you're teaching them to other people. So the horse may learn to walk nicely on a lead for you, and still be "horrible" for everyone else; unless your purpose to generalize that new leading behavior, taught with R+, to other people (meaning have other people work with the horse with R+).
AND, when you're working on behaviors that are also typically used during R- handling (such as asking the horse to back up), create a totally new cue for the back up that's R+ trained. DO NOT try and teach the same behavior with the same cue with two different approaches, this will be highly confusing to the horse and will likely ruin your R+ training efforts.
As for the other question, is it safe, yes, absolutely. As long as you're introducing working with food rewards correctly and you don't have someone else encouraging dangerous behaviors when you aren't working with the horse, there's no reason it shouldn't be safe.
Great question, I wrote a couple articles about this subject, as I'm very passionate about using low stress, more positive approaches, to desnesitizing horses and building their confidence. Check them out here.
Absolutely! I just recommend you work with a professional that can help you learn the mechanics and application of clicker training, as well as equine behavior, health, and care in a safe way. It's no different than getting into working with horses using natural horsemanship or any other training program. You will need help to learn how to safely be around horses and how to care for your horse correctly, as well as how to safely and effectively apply the training.
If your horse is scared of the clicker sound, consider finding a quieter clicker (I have my favorite one linked here), putting the clicker inside a thick sock or your pocket, or using a vocal sound in replacement of the clicker. Eventually they will become used to it and begin to associate the sound with positive things, and you'll be able to work back to using a regular clicker if you want.
Nope! In the beginning they will likely be a tad confused, but horses are able to pick up on when the clicker is for them and when it's not pretty easily if it's consistent.
Example, I use one clicker and have seven horses with me usually. They are all usually close by too. But if I'm not in the stall with them, standing right outside their stall/pasture, and haven't given them their start of session cue (food into a feed pan usually), they recognize the click is not for them and remain relaxed. New horses to the barn though, after the clicker has been introduced to them, tend to get excited any time they hear the clicker even if it's not for them, but they learn too.
Here is a great article about this
Can Two People Clicker Train At The Same Time? by Stale Cheerios
No, you don't. You can start by just picking a single behavior you want to work on with R+ or teaching something new.. like target training or stationing at a mat, and then slowly start swapping other areas of your training with your horse to R+ as you're ready. But some horses will do better with a complete over haul of the training. These horses are typically deeply traumatized, dangerous, aggressive, or highly reactive.
Here are some articles that may help
How To Improve Your Relationship With Your Horse
Absolutely! The lesson program will generally look different than you might see at most lesson barns... you aren't likely to see horses going round and round and round and round the arena for 45 minutes while the trainer sits in the middle of the arena and critiques equitation etc. BUT, it's absolutely possible and I do it all the time. Even group lessons are possible.
Also, just like with any other training approach, the level of the horse's clicker training knowledge/experience (their repitiore of behaviors and the duration they can hold them for) will dictate whether an advanced riding lesson can be taught. You could not teach a rider to sit the trot for a few laps around the arena if the horse isn't trained to that level yet. My advanced riders ride my advanced clicker trained horses.
Here are some video examples of a clicker training riding lessons.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoErGnwgV5F/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlQ2cYzApXv/
It is possible your horse doesn't like treats, but it's not possible that your horse doesn't like food. All horses like food, but not just like.. they NEED food... food is and always will be a primary reinforcer for your horse. They may just not be wanting the food you're offering, or the fact that you are the one offering it. OR, they may not be wanting to do what it is you want them to do, because there is a conflicting motivator that is more powerful in that moment than food.
Food is also not your only choice of reinforcement, many horses really enjoy a good scratch in their sweet spot; especially foals. So scratches are an option as well!
Read more here
What Is R+ and How Does It Work?
For most cases, yes, that shouldn't be a problem. Just keep in mind it's best to separate what you're training/re-training with R+ and what you're going to keep doing the same way you always have. What that means is, don't train a back up cue with R+ one day and the next day use R- and P+ to train the back up. Pick which way you'd like to train a backup and stick to it. Consistency is key with horses, regardless of approach.
Using equipment or locations to cue to the horse that it's an R+ session will help. Like, only ever using R+ in the turnout but everywhere else it's "normal". Or maybe, R+ only at liberty.. with no halters or bridles or tack. But you'll need to be prepared for the fact that by picking and choosing in such a big way when to give your horse a choice and when to not give them a choice, you're likely to develop two different sides of the relationship/training interaction.
Example, if you ride and train your horse with traditional or natural horsemanship 90% of the time and then want to give them choice and train with R+ only 10% of the time, it's highly likely that the horse will spend that 10% of the time saying no.. since they don't have the option to do so the rest of the time they interact with you.
Or, you might start seeing a difference in your interactions during the R+ time that don't exist the rest of the time. Such as a more eager and motivated horse.. a horse that wants to be around you and comes up to you. Or, the flip side may happen and the horse will begin to show you all the emotions they feel the rest of the time during training but only NOW get the option to express; such as the constant "no", food anxiety, anxiousness, fearfulness, and so on. The key here to remember is it's not a problem with R+, it's that R+ is uncovering underlying problems that have been suppressed during the horse's current and past training.
Absolutely! While I don't professionally train dogs anymore, here are some great resources to get you started.
Reaching The Animal Mind - Karen Pryor
How To Behave So Your Dog Behaves - Dr. Sophia Yin
Perfect Puppy In Seven Days - Dr. Sophia Yin
Clicking With Your Dog - Peggy Tillman
Find A Behavior Consultant In Your Area - IAABC
Find A Trainer In Your Area - Karen Pryor Academy
Find A Trainer Near You - CCPDT
Unfortunately there are no public directories of professional positive reinforcement horse trainers available that I know of. There are however many facebook groups that can help you find a trainer in your area, or.. there are many trainers, like myself, that offer long distance coaching via email support and video coaching. We can create a lesson program for you, coach you step by step through the process, and help you begin this journey!
Contact me via email if you're interested in on-going video coaching lessons with me
And check out these facebook lists to see if there is anyone in your area.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/EmpoweredEquestrians/
Most trainers that now train with R+ professionally, learned from long distance resources, books, and social media. As unfortunate as it is that clicker training isn't "normal" and there are not a lot of trainers yet throughout the world, you still do have the ability to learn how to use it and to get professional help.
First, check out my resources page for quite a few books that I recommend as well as other clicker training websites and articles.
Blogs and other educational websites are excellent resources. I have mine of course, but there are also some linked on the resources page for continued education.
Check out youtube, there are quite a few clicker training videos out there on youtube. Just be careful who you are learning from. Not all clicker training is created equal, and if you're ever in question on whether something is "good" clicker training feel free to contact me and we can talk about it.
I also have my youtube with quite a few videos, and I'm constantly adding more. www.youtube.com/thewillingequine
Clinics, seminars, and more. Once you find some trainers you like, find out if they have any clinicis coming up any time soon. You might have to travel a bit, again.. short supply of R+ trainers, but it's so worth it!
Social media has some surprisingly excellent resources available. Believe it or not, that's how I got into training with R+ and how I learned the most. I have made a lot of connections via social media, and learned so much. Instagram has been my primary stomping ground, but facebook is an excellent resource as well. Especially the facebook groups.
For instagram, try hashtags like #forcefree and #clickertraininghorses #positivereinforcement
And, once you find someone you like.. check out who they are following. That will start opening some more doors. If you need a place to start, check out my instagram. www.instagram.com/thewillingequine
You don't need an instagram account either to get on public accounts and see what they have to share. A good place to start might be my training video hashtag #TWEtrainingvideo
For facebook....
https://www.facebook.com/groups/horseclickertraining/
https://www.facebook.com/thewillingequine
https://www.facebook.com/groups/EmpoweredEquestrians/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/890424571114494/ - the evolving equestrian
And then, last but definitely NOT least, consider long distance coaching! It's really easy to do and less expensive than paying a local trainer.. with about equal benefits really. You can do it from the comfort of your own home, on your own time, and all you have to do is buy a cheap tripod like this one or this one, or find someone to record you, and get recordings of about five minutes of training. You upload that to youtube usually, under "unlisted" or "public" and send the link to the trainer.
Every trainer does this next part a little different, but for me I return the video back to you with a voiceover video coaching (it's like I'm there), and then I give homework for you to work on until our next lesson. Usually this is done with visual examples of my own training as well as verbal explanation.
And many of us also offer other support services too, like for me I have email support whenever you need in between lessons as well as private student discussion groups where we all support each other.
Contact me if you are interested in working with me, but there are also a lot of other trainers out there that are now offering this service! It's fantastic because we are no longer limited by travel distance. You can now work with the best trainers in the world right from your own home.
Yes and No. It's important to remember that regardless of the training approach we are using, the horse is always always doing what we are training it to do for a reason. There is always a motivator behind training.. that's how training works. They learn because of that motivator.
They are learning to do what we want because they are....
Avoiding something
or
Seeking/Wanting something
Every kind of training falls within those two catagories. Natural horsemanship, traditional horsemanship, liberty training, positive reinforcement, clicker training.. doesn't matter. For a horse to ever do something we want it to do, there has to be a reason.. and we have to provide that reason.
When using positive reinforcement training/clicker training we are choosing to motivate the horse by offering them something they want and eliminating the avoidance/punishment aspect of training. So yes, they are doing it for the food. Just like the natural horsemanship trained horse is doing it to avoid the rope wiggling harder, or being sent around the round pen.
The big difference here is that, over time, with classical conditioning, we can classically condition our presence to equal good things... meaning, if we frequently bring food or work with food, and the horse enjoys that food, then eventually the horse will begin to associate us with good things. That means our presence alone can be positively reinforcing if there's enough history there with R+. So even when we don't have food, we can ask our horses to do things and offer scratches and such.. and the horse will enjoy our company more because of that history of food giving.. even when we don't have food.
Read more about it....
Sometimes what appears to be low energy can actually be fear, resistance out of pain, confusion, or reluctance to do something they know is going to end up being unpleasant for them. So we have to work to eliminate any possible cause for the horse's reluctance to engage. Here's some more information on the subject Lazy & Resistant Part 1
Lazy & Resistant Part 3My Horse Doesn't Like Treats
Why Won't My Horse Go Even For A Cookie
https://www.instagram.com/p/BrS1Qk7neLS/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=6yl8020wsbm0
Most horse training is based off of R- and P+ (negative reinforcement and positive punishment). What this means is that regardless of whether you're taking a lesson at a hunter jumper barn or you're actively following a natural horsemanship method of training... it's all based on applying an aversive pressure until the horse responds as desired, and then releasing that pressure to teach the horse that whatever action they just did earned the release.
Also, positive punishment is very common throughout all traditional and natural horsemanship approaches to training. If the horse doesn't listen to your leg and you use the crop or spurs , you're using P+ (positive punishment.. applying an aversive as a punisher) to correct the horse for not responding to the leg. Positive reinforcement training on the other hand is based on the effort to use as little aversive pressure and as little punishment as possible; teaching the horse through giving the horse something desirable as a reward for doing what you want. The goal is not to squeeze harder, the goal is not to use the crop, the goal is to remove as much stress from the training as possible while also encouraging a very motivated horse. Positive reinforcement is a reward based system while negative reinforcement falls into an avoidance based system. Why I'm Not A Natural Horsemanship TrainerWhat is R+ and How Does It Work
Positive & Negative Reinforcement
Positive reinforcement is nothing new, but it wasn't "labeled" until sometime around 1938. The process of using positive reinforcement has however been around a long time before that just by natural consequences of life and learning. Every species alive experiences positive reinforcement throughout the day.. whether that's by getting a paycheck for a job well done, getting a hug from a parent after cleaning up your room, eating a delicious meal after a hunt.. We just don't always acknowledge that we are actively learning and how we are learning... And for a long time there was no known way to label it. Operant Conditioning (R+, R-, P+, P-) became the official name as a result of BF. Skinner's work and we've continued to build on his work .. there have been incredible advancements in research in this area since Skinner. Clicker Training first started sometime in the 1940s as scientists worked to use Operant Conditioning to train animals .. and ever since then it's slowly been growing in the training of a wide variety of animals.. and even people! (Check out TAG Teach). The first book on clicker training for horses in particular was published in 1999 by Alexandra Kurland, then soon after Shawna Karrasch published her own book on how to use clicker training/positive reinforcement for horses. For a long time though, those were the only two books published on the subject and Equestrians utilizing positive reinforcement as their primary form of training we're few and far between. In the dog and marine animal world though, clicker training quickly started replacing older traditional methods. And not long after, zoo keepers started experimenting with using clicker training to teach lions, elephants, tigers, giraffes , anything you can think of, to allow for voluntarily care and handling.
Horse people just haven't been quick to make the change... Though now, thanks to social media, that's quickly changing. We now have more access to limited resources.. such as professional positive reinforcement trainers and there are now also many books published on clicker training horses, podcasts, frequent clinics all over the world, and quite a few professional trainers that offer services to help people start clicker training. So no, it's nothing "new" in the sense that we've always been able to train this way, but the knowledge of how to use it with horses is still pretty young.
It depends on the skill of the training and the individual horse, but horses do seem to retain R+ training for much longer than R- training in my experience. I remember before I started training with R+ there were many horses that had to be worked with frequently to maintain the training, or they just seemed to forget everything. You couldn't just turn them out to pasture for a couple weeks and then get on their backs like you rode them yesterday... And then of course there were the horses you could, but they were rare. Ever since switching to R+ though all of my horses now are suddenly "like they never skipped a beat" horses, jumping right back into where ever we left off even after weeks or months of break. In my personal experience, horses do retain R+ training longer.. and are less prone to complete back tracking of training.
This question really deserves a blog article all by itself, which I plan to make and then add here, but really it comes down to... Does the horse know what you're asking? Does the horse have reason to do what you're asking? Does the horse have reason NOT to do what you're asking? There's always a reason for an "incorrect" or "non" response from the horse. And the answer to "what do you do when the horse doesn't do what you ask?" lies in one of those questions.
Yes, horses do learn from pressure and release (negative reinforcement), but they also learn from positive reinforcement, negative punishment, and positive punishment. These are all forms of operant conditioning, which is a way through which animals of all species learn, how they teach each other, and how the environment teaches them. But just because someone CAN learn through the naturally occurring positive punishment when they touch a hot stove, does that make it the best or least aversive way to teach someone they shouldn't touch a stove? Just because a horse can learn to avoid the spur (P+ or escalating R-) by responding to the leg, does that make it the least stressful or most effective form of training? The long and short of it is that R+ is no more unnatural than R-. As trainers, we have to choose how we wish to teach our learners what we wish them to do... And the way we choose to do that should be as humane and low stress as possible; whether that's R- or R+. Training Is ManipulationHorses May Not Give Each Other Treats...When Can I Stop Using Food?Why I'm Not A Natural Horsemanship TrainerWhy I Don't Use Treats
No, but you do have to use something the horse enjoys/wants/likes/ and is willing to work for. Sometimes scratches in sweet spots will work for certain horse's but food is typically the preferred positive reinforcer for a horse. What Is R+ and How Does It Work?
Absolutely! So instead of creating my own glossary, here are some EXCELLENT resources that explain everything you will ever hear me reference, and maybe a little bit more ;)
Absolutely! But targeting is probably not going to be the place to start, and you're probably not going to be hand feeding treats like you might with most domesticated horses. Instead, you're going to need to set up the environment to be as low stress as possible and start where the horse is comfortable and find a way to offer a reinforcer at a distance. Here's some excellent resources on working with feral horses with positive reinforcement, but unfortunately the resources are still limited on this area.. though there are many positive reinforcement trainers that focus on training feral horses, so it's absolutely possible... just may take some digging and help from them until we can have better documentation freely available to the public. (Anyone want to sponsor a feral horse at TWE? ;)
How To Train A Wild Horse or Burro
Advanced & Retreat, or the Clicker